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06/14/09
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Reformist Iranian Cleric: 'The Establishment Seems To Fear Democracy'
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Source: RFE/RL
In an exclusive interview with Radio Farda, Iranian reformist cleric Hassan
Yusefi Eshkevari has spoken out following the government's announcement of
President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's election victory. He was interviewed by telephone
from his home in Tehran by Elaheh Ravanshad.
Radio Farda: What is your reaction to the official election result?
Hassan Yusefi Eshkevari: It seems that what has happened in
Iran is a punishment for the people. People, including young Iranians, took to
the streets and showed their maturity and their wish for peace and goodwill.
That's one issue. The other issue is that the establishment seems to fear
democracy, and because of that it held an election coup d'etat to take its
revenge on the people, especially on the youth.
Radio Farda: What surprised you most about the official
result?
Yusefi Eshkevari: The election result is not understandable by any
logic because if Ahmadinejad was supposed to have 62 percent of the vote, there
would have not been so many protests and so many efforts to replace him.
Especially in the past month, all of Iran was calling in a united voice: We want
to change [him] and we don't want him [as president].
Radio Farda: Who do you think is behind it all?
Yusefi Eshkevari: I am not aware of what goes on behind the scenes. I
cannot comment on this. I have always criticized this secretive,
behind-the-scenes diplomacy and non-transparent negotiations. Issues that could
and should be solved lawfully should not be solved in behind-the-scene
negotiations with the Supreme Leader or others. Those who possibly rigged these
elections would not have done so without the consent of their leaders. It is
impossible that they would have done it without getting reassurance from the
authorities that they wouldn't get punished.
Again, I am not aware of what has been going on behind the scenes and I cannot
say what exactly has happened. Still, it wasn't like a few people in the
Ministry of the Interior decided in the last few hours to rig the election
results and by doing so, put themselves against the nation and at the same time
put themselves at risk, because such actions have serious consequences. The
majority of people didn't want Ahmadinejad to win, but it wasn't only that. In
recent days it became clear that Ahmadinejad had serious opponents even inside
the leadership, among his fellow traditionalists. The damage of what has
happened here, will be more apparent and more severe in future; it has caused
more damage to Iran's political system than Musavi's victory would have.
Radio Farda: Do you mean Ahmadinejad's re-election has done more damage
to the system than Musavi's presidency would have?
Yusefi Eshkevari: Yes, of course. Ahmadinejad's second term
will result in more crises for Iran's international standing. And inside the
country it will be a kind of confrontation with the people. Obviously, people's
opposition, dissatisfaction and criticism will increase and the distance between
the people and the system will get bigger, because people feel that they were
deceived or even insulted. Besides, inside the leadership the gap between
Ahmadinejad's supporters and his opponents will increase too.
Radio Farda: How do you see Ahmadinejad's second term
in office?
Yusefi Eshkevari: I predict that in the next four years,
Ahmadinejad will face severe crises both outside and inside the country and
especially within the political system. It is possible that serious
disagreements will arise between the president and parliament, between the
president and other bodies. It might even result in the president's impeachment
by the parliament.
Radio Farda: How do you think the other presidential
candidates who lost their election bid will react in the coming days?
Yusefi Eshkevari: My 30 years of experience tells me that they
won't be able to do much. They will issue statements, send letters to the
Supreme Leader protesting the results. But in a few days, the dust will settle
and everybody will go back to their business. I don't rule out that in two
months' time, these candidates will even take part in Mr. Ahmadinejad's
inauguration ceremony. So, everything will finish calmly.
Radio Farda: Many students and others, who during the
election campaign acted against Mr. Ahmadinejad, or expressed their happiness
about the possibility of his departure or demonstrated their willingness for
change in the country are now reportedly worried that they will be targeted by
Mr. Ahmadinejad's supporters. What do you think?
Yusefi Eshkevari: It is not impossible that Mr. Ahmadinejad's
supporters, directly or indirectly, will target those people both to get revenge
and create a climate of fear in society. They want to frighten people, because
other elections, including parliamentary elections will take place in coming
years and of course there is the next presidential election in four years -- and
they, by creating a climate of fear, want to prevent people from becoming
politically active.
This election isn't the end. They will try to secure their victory in all those
upcoming elections. And yes, those revenge attacks are possible.
Copyright (c) 2009 RFE/RL, Inc. Reprinted with the permission of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, 1201 Connecticut Ave., N.W. Washington DC 20036. www.rferl.org
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